Curse

Mavrik · Jul 22, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

As someone who got a run to Draknor's Forge, I do not consider it cheating or anything of that sort. Now while the rest of you complain and what not of how "unfair" it is or that its cheating or what ever... So what. I did not buy this game and read the terms and conditions and agree with yours before I played. I agreed to the terms and conditions laid out by Anet(GW) and thats it. I bought the game, let me play it how I want to. Having said that, I'm pretty much an PvE kinda player. I can count on one finger the times I did PvP and that was the little battle going from Pre-Searing to afterwards. I could care less about PvP or GvG and who's getting owned by some noob in draknor or elite armor.

Yes in my opinion someone simply getting a run all around the map is losing a great deal of the experience. However I myself had gotten as far as The Wilds in location missions and much farther then that in exploring before getting a run to Draknors. I really appreciated the run and now with lv60 armor I can better battle it out with the minions around the world.

So remember... anyone playing has the right to play the game as they want to within the terms and conditions laid out by Anet. Don't like us playing how we want to? Go make your own game and have people agree to terms and conditions you want them to. Let us have our fun and stop being such a baby about it.

Gedscho · Jul 22, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It sounds like you are rather adamant about your point. Do you have a closed mind?

I think that running to areas where your level character shouldn't yet be is silly. But if they have the money and are just too impatient to wait, it doesn't hurt anyone. Runners only exploit the greed of the persons willing to pay.

talk about closed minded :P

Sekkira · Jul 22, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

Those two quests, in fact no quest is nessesary.

stumpy · Jul 22, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

I dont consider runners = cheaters .... they are just having fun doing something interesting. Godness ... the infusion run was one of my favourite parts of the game ...

I wouldn't hate on the runners ... if you are upset about lvl 15 with elites whooping your ass ... then I would hate on the level 15 thats whoopin your ass. Anet could easily avoid this by saying "okay now we are really gonna screw ya and make droknars only accessible to level 20s again and ascention will equal 20 again" ... the runners will just have there level 1's run to the desert and pay there way through the 3 missions. Either way it wont affect the fact that this will happen. Morally is it correct ... the answer to that is in the eye of the beholder.

Sair · Jul 22, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Feli

Yes, Droknar runned People in Arenas are plain cheaters. Don't like the sound of that? DON'T CHEAT THEN.

I believe the word you're looking for is "twink." They aren't cheating, they're just twinked.

WeiPing · Jul 22, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by ownage of teh elite

Well mates, a-net just added a shitload of mobs to the beacons to droknar run. I doubt it will be easier, it is going to be extremely harder. And Im only talking 1/5 of the run!

No they didn't.

Gedscho · Jul 22, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

btw, just to make myself clear:

i have a 14 mes with drok armor. ascended at level 8. did the ascension missions with 1 hench, 1 lvl 20, the rest lowlevels. So, in the eyes of the runner haters we maybe "deserve" a drok armor.

now dont come with "you got helped by a 20 blablabla" because most of you wouldnt even ascend before they are 20 and in team full of 20s. (no offense)

so: do i go to yaks arena and seriously kick some butt? nope. did i get straight to gvg to get me my cute mesgirlies ass handed over on a silver platter? most definetly.

did i ever get me rushed to drok? nope.

do i hate whining about rushers and heartless twinks? well.... YES.
if you KNOW you lost because of drok armor (well... and skills) then do something about it.
since the drok way is a part of the game, ganking you with drok armor is also a legitimate part of the game (even if i would be ashamded of myself if i did that).

but also i think, worrying about drok rushers is so damn sad....
why cant you just accept that there are people that can do a (in my opinion) very hard run, and admire such skill?
just because you got beaten at a lowlevel arena, by someone, who knows HOW to admire such skills (means: paying for them

)?

damnit. maybe youre right! BLOCK LORNAR! but even more important: BLOCK the KOREANS! those cheaters always gank me

aww come on

Rencor · Jul 22, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

If you save weapons, runes, etc... for your alternates as your hunting with your main is that cheating too? If your level 8 alt is using a max damage weapon with all kinds of bonus's that's ok as long as no one ran you to Droknar's?

To me it's very similar. *shrug*

Talesin Darkbriar · Jul 22, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

For what its worth, drug users never think of themselves as "addicts," Griefers never think of themselves as "socially retarded," and cheaters never think of themselves as "challenge inhibited"

But this perception doesn't change reality.
The reality is, if you play against the spirit of the game, you're a scumbag, a cheater, and not fit to lick the goo from my boots.

Hopefully I haven't been too vague on this matter.

Gedscho · Jul 22, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

against the spirit of the game?

look at the storyline... we are always killing the GOOD guys.

i wouldnt be astonished, if the charr were the natives from ascalon.

btw, i guess a cheater wouldnt want to lick the goo from your boots anyways. they would gladly let you do this all by yourself.

PieXags · Jul 22, 2005, 07:05 PM // 19:05

I don't think it's really cheating to run people from town to town, but Droknar runners piss me off like no other simply because running people to Droknar's Forge is the most profitable way of making money in the game, and in my opinion, that's MUCH closer to exploiting than farming anything. It's strictly for Warriors, plain and simple. Sometimes rangers as well, but not on the way to droknars unless they've a warrior class as well. It's a sad thing when running someone somewhere in all of 15k minutes can make you 20k in one run, it's pathetic and THAT sort of thing is what's ruining the economy, not only that but I've been pretty pissed about how then someone can breeze through every mission in the game up to ascension with the Droknar armor, and now almost everyone does it...it's like the all the armor from ascalon to droknars is worth NOTHING because everyone has better armor anyway.

I don't think it's cheating really, just lame.

Xonic · Jul 22, 2005, 07:11 PM // 19:11

When people don't have the skill to play the game and win with limited resources, they try everything they can to cheat.

well, there are skilled players who cheat too, but for different reasons I guess.

Divinitys Creature · Jul 22, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

You get 19 skill points from levelling, 1 point from Devona in noob land, 24 from missions and one or was it two (as a cap sig) from Magi Malaquire. That's 46 points to level a char and beat the PvE game.

There are 450 skills. 220 can be gained from quests. 230 either have to be bought or cap sigs bought. 230 / 46 = 5 Levlling a char 5 times and beating the game gets very boring indeed.

Having to team with real people each time and trying a mission over and over because a noob spoils it wastes a lot of time. Droknar's armor = easier to solo your way through missions and those 5 chars you need to get the skills.

A problem is the people who go to low level arena and pwn noobs. But they are free to go to Droknar's themselves. I think it's a bit retarded but it's their choice.

Haloknight9 · Jul 22, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

I think that running to areas where your level character shouldn't yet be is silly. But if they have the money and are just too impatient to wait, it doesn't hurt anyone. Runners only exploit the greed of the persons willing to pay.

I get ran do droknars to get armor, which i see no issue with. Does that make me lazy, impatient, or greedy? Absolutely not, I farm for the money I pay to have me run... Not to mention that after I get that armor I go back to beacons and 'work' my way through all the missions. Only difference is that I have a bit more protection and one last thing to pick up come endgame. But your right, it doesnt hurt anyone.

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

For what its worth, drug users never think of themselves as "addicts," Griefers never think of themselves as "socially retarded," and cheaters never think of themselves as "challenge inhibited"..

And people who 'think they are always right' will think themselfs as "the standard by wich everyone should go by" or "judges of everyone" But we are beating a dead horse here..

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

But this perception doesn't change reality.
The reality is, if you play against the spirit of the game, you're a scumbag, a cheater, and not fit to lick the goo from my boots...

Reality? Your reality? Wow... so... the way you play is the way everyone should? Nope, it isnt. Just becuase I don't play the way you do doesn't make me a scumbag. Everytime I see a post like the one above makes me wonder why they have a low level area connected to a high level area. People could argue off and on about how they mean it to be played through. But hey, like it or not... if game mechanics (sprint,charge,etc) allow someone to run it and no level restriction is placed on droknars (which they could easily do seeing ascension is required in ToA) then hey... i see no problem with it. Minus the exploitation, in my opinion of course, of the arenas. But thats another thread entirely.

Phades · Jul 22, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

You get 19 skill points from levelling, 1 point from Devona in noob land, 24 from missions and one or was it two (as a cap sig) from Magi Malaquire. That's 46 points to level a char and beat the PvE game.

There are 450 skills. 220 can be gained from quests. 230 either have to be bought or cap sigs bought. 230 / 46 = 5 Levlling a char 5 times and beating the game gets very boring indeed.

Having to team with real people each time and trying a mission over and over because a noob spoils it wastes a lot of time. Droknar's armor = easier to solo your way through missions and those 5 chars you need to get the skills.

A problem is the people who go to low level arena and pwn noobs. But they are free to go to Droknar's themselves. I think it's a bit retarded but it's their choice.

Only really need the option for all the skills for pvp. PvE characters are locked into their respective class combinations rendering a large portion of the game repetition unneccary.

Darkest Dawn · Jul 22, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by generik

If you want to hear my piece on this...

Runners != Cheaters
Runners = FAGOTS

That's it. Gays, fags, sissies... whatever you wish to call them, they are it.

Lvl 7 character wearing droknar armor with illusionary weaponary in ascalon arena. Very honarable gameplay indeed. The way devs intended it... NOT.

Well, aside from being extreemly rude and childish, it's also a strawman arguement. Noone here who is for Droknar's runs has said that going to pwn the noobs in the Ascelon arena is fair. In fact, almost every one made sure to go to the effort to make sure this was understood!

So if one disagrees with the reasons, please stop using this same old strawman. Surely it has been beaten to death.

And as for me, I will never take a taxi in town again. Why? Well I learned this here today: it's lazy to not want to walk 15 blocks, and it ruins the shoe economy!

Kishin · Jul 22, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Yeah, they farm newbies for faction. I haven't tried Ascalon for a while, but it's probably a bit better now when you get exp for PvP again, as that means their avatars will eventually out-level the arenas, and they'll either have to twink a new or <gasp!> fight fair.

Although that's probably small comfort to the hundreds of newbies they've ganked before being kicked out of the low level arenas.

As for the runners, they have my respect. It takes skill to run to Droknars, I've tried it but never got more than half way. The people they run, now, those I just consider lame, even if they use the armor just for PvE. As others have said, it's not like the early missions are hard.

It is not efficient to farm faction in the Ascalon Arena. You'd be there all damn day, the reward for winning is pathetic.

I personally think the Ascalon and Shiverpeak Arena should be closed and the maps rolled into the main Competition Arena (Like what was done with Amnoon Arena and Fort Koga). PvP in either of those arenas just teaches so many bad habits, and is so half-arsed that the participants really stand nothing to gain from. People running around beating each other up with their Pre-Searing/Just out of Pre-Searing builds gives the complete wrong impression of Guild Wars PvP. The way Skills are distributed throughout the game is a major factor in this, as a number of professions/profession combinations gain skills which leave them significantly better off than their counterparts, early on.

Shutting down those two arenas solves the Droknar griefer problem and forces players to be a bit more experienced before attempting PvP, thereby lessening their chances of being scared away from the experience by constant defeats and false impressions.

Darkest Dawn · Jul 22, 2005, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Kishin

It is not efficient to farm faction in the Ascalon Arena. You'd be there all damn day, the reward for winning is pathetic.

I personally think the Ascalon and Shiverpeak Arena should be closed and the maps rolled into the main Competition Arena (Like what was done with Amnoon Arena and Fort Koga). PvP in either of those arenas just teaches so many bad habits, and is so half-arsed that the participants really stand nothing to gain from. People running around beating each other up with their Pre-Searing/Just out of Pre-Searing builds gives the complete wrong impression of Guild Wars PvP. The way Skills are distributed throughout the game is a major factor in this, as a number of professions/profession combinations gain skills which leave them significantly better off than their counterparts, early on.

Shutting down those two arenas solves the Droknar griefer problem and forces players to be a bit more experienced before attempting PvP, thereby lessening their chances of being scared away from the experience by constant defeats and false impressions.

I agree 100%

Haloknight9 · Jul 22, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Kishin

It is not efficient to farm faction in the Ascalon Arena. You'd be there all damn day, the reward for winning is pathetic.

I personally think the Ascalon and Shiverpeak Arena should be closed and the maps rolled into the main Competition Arena (Like what was done with Amnoon Arena and Fort Koga). PvP in either of those arenas just teaches so many bad habits, and is so half-arsed that the participants really stand nothing to gain from. People running around beating each other up with their Pre-Searing/Just out of Pre-Searing builds gives the complete wrong impression of Guild Wars PvP. The way Skills are distributed throughout the game is a major factor in this, as a number of professions/profession combinations gain skills which leave them significantly better off than their counterparts, early on.

Shutting down those two arenas solves the Droknar griefer problem and forces players to be a bit more experienced before attempting PvP, thereby lessening their chances of being scared away from the experience by constant defeats and false impressions.

Very well put. I agree.

Phades · Jul 22, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Kishin

PvP in either of those arenas just teaches so many bad habits, and is so half-arsed that the participants really stand nothing to gain from. People running around beating each other up with their Pre-Searing/Just out of Pre-Searing builds gives the complete wrong impression of Guild Wars PvP.

The same could be said for the pre-made pvp templates. I know you are arguing for walking people through the tutorial, then wade into the pvp, but many wont like walking that path. Learning is also subjective to what is available to be learned.